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blue65
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Thanks Jas, got the number, ill get in touch with him

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Nuts wrote
What are the cost benefits in keeping it LHD?

Cheap club registration. + 10-15K


I smell oranges !

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Did they specifically say Holley were OK?
I rekon youd have just as much chance as getting some dude saying nupt.. autolite only..


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Shaunp wrote
And people whinge about LO2 in QLD, it's just seat belts and head lights.

Yep must have year correct carby, bit don't need seatbelts


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blue65 wrote
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And people whinge about LO2 in QLD, it's just seat belts and head lights.

Yep must have year correct carby, bit don't need seatbelts


What a joke, don't worry about seat belts, you cant have better brakes either, but you have to have the original carby.


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Shayne93 wrote

What a joke, don't worry about seat belts, you cant have better brakes either, but you have to have the original carby.


And there you have it. Bureaucrats at work.


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jas24zzk wrote
ADR's actually don't apply to cars before 1990. IIRC.

What you get is some beaurocrats version of job preservation.

And there-in lies a Question. Do SA give you the same grief if the car has been registered in Oz before? QLD forget about LO2 at that point.


ADRs in QLD apply back to when they first started fitting Complaince plates about 70-71
For example if you were to do an engine swap the engine has to be at least complaint to the year of manufacture of the car. So if you had a 1976 LX torana and you wanted to fit a 308 to it, the engine needs to comply with what ever was the smog code is, think it is both ARD27 and 27A, so it has to have smog heads egr etc all the vacuum stuff. If you did the same to 74 LH you don't have to do the smog stuff, but it should be compliant to what ever the code that says the idle mixture must be tamper proof. They don't do a smog check though.
My point was really that ADRs are national and what ever they want us to do with old cars should also be national in my view, so cars can go from state to state with no issue.


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chopmgw wrote
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What are the cost benefits in keeping it LHD?

Cheap club registration. + 10-15K


Can you not have Club rego on RHD, is it not age based, ie in QLD 30 years & club member is the requirement.


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In NSW, if you put a later model engine in your car, it must meet the requirements of the engine year.

So if you put an XR8 engine in, you can't remove the injection and go with a carb. You'd have to put the standard system in to get it registered.

They all keep making stupid decisions.


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I think you got the ADR numbers correct Shaun.

IIRC, 27 is the rule that governs adherence to EPA standards. This was designed to stop people putting early carburetted things into things like commodores. It really didn't cover people putting later engines into earlier cars. What it did do however was also stop Manufacturers putting an engine designed 2 years ago into current production vehicles. The intent was good, but the resultant output was crap.

The rule actually puts an onus on the regulator to certify each years engine production for a product that may be unchanged.

27A Was developed to put the onus back on the manufacturer or in our case vehicle builder to comply with the current years rules.

For us, 27 drives the rules we must comply with under 27A. For us it allows us to put earlier engines into later model cars and still comply. It actually has the authorities shaking their heads, as we have been able to circumvent the rules intention.

Basically, if we can meet or beat the emissions standards for the year of manufacture of the engine/car (whichever is later) then we can run it. With modern off the shelf technology, it is pretty easy to achieve. ( i know of an ED Sedan witha 21 stud side valve in it that complies) I guess the authorities, when they wrote the rule, never envisaged the hobbyist to spend the money required.

Bad news for them, Fuel injection and Electronic controlled engines at the time were frowned upon by the modification groups, (which just made the rule work very well) people wanted the carby they knew so well. A new generation has now moved in, and the costs of fuel injection and computer have come down a LONG way. The new generation hasn't resigned itself to the cost, they have decided they prefer the reliability and ease of operation that the new technology offers. This has seen an uptake of the technology unforseen, and driven the costs down. More and More old engines now comply with the emissions than ever before. Many of them even exceed the requirements, leaving Factory stuff in their wake....more power and Bob Brown gets a chubb at the numbers.

Keep buying injection systems guys!!!!!!! they'll be cheaper than a holley soon.


My own 1985(unleaded) patrol with a 1968 302 exceeds even todays emissions levels...........i cheated and went straight bbq fuel....................don't think i would pass noise tho :rotfl:

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SPECT"]Did they specifically say Holley were OK?
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yeah got it in writing from vehicle standards...can either be a holley 600 cfm or 750cfm


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at least you got it in writing....big start.

I trust they can eyeball the difference next they see it LOL


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Its a bit of a joke really, the guy at vehicle standards agreed, but rules is rules..... holley was an option then, edelbrock wasnt, so holley it is!


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Shaunp wrote
chopmgw wrote
Nuts wrote
What are the cost benefits in keeping it LHD?

Cheap club registration. + 10-15K


Can you not have Club rego on RHD, is it not age based, ie in QLD 30 years & club member is the requirement.


My understanding is that LHD is historic rego with a log book (and u have to be in a sanctioned club).
RHD is just normal rego


I smell oranges !

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