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mert
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Should be:

YPxxxxxx

Y- year 8,9,0,1
P- Plant F, T, R
xxxxxx - sequentail number

The can be very faint, and if original are really poorly aligned in most cases...

Here's a 68 transmission stamp...



And a 68 engine stamp (FE -390)



And 68 small block (yes, missing number, VIN sequence is 159241, stamp is 15941. Worker missed a digit... and the "8" stamp is faint, or an S, close enough, as no one then figured 40+ years on anyone would care, let alone look... or a PO went to the effort to duplicate so closely.. poorly, I'm going with option one... December 67, post Christmas party in San Jose, maybe at the Fillmore seeing the GFD, Jimi, BB&THC+Janis, or the Doors the night before...)



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2 of them?

Amazing


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"Wonder why my 1968 302 block has no engine numbers then.
Casting correct for a mustang.

A later engine I dealt with. 1980 casting date. no vin either.


I'm all ears................... "

Easy. Service block, not factory. Casting numbers run for years in some cases.


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ok...trying to nut out why these posts are out of order...my last was posted after merts


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"2 of them?" Yep, 2 examples.

2 of 4 '68's I own. As noted, if you read the post, one is a 390 FE (that's a big block) one a small block (289).

That means they are different engines, from different cars.

So, would generally have different VIN's ... not sure what your point is... unless its amazing to you to own 2 Mustang's with orginal engines.


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and the order does seem to be going haywire....


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The reason why I posted this question, is because I'm currently looking at a 68 J code hard top. The seller said it had a 2bbl carby on it, he told me the VIN and that definitely says J. Now I'm wondering if its the original engine as, to me at least, it would seem it would be silly to turf a 4bbl and replace it with a 2bbl


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It is amazing to me that you thought two of those I have dealt with would have to be service blocks. I've dealt with many muzzies, and only seen one with an engine number.

Although the regs changed for engine numbers in 1968, it wasn't standard across the board, with full factory compliance not being achieved until the 1980's.

As for the reason for steves question. A bit silly to turf the 4bbl..... lets see any number of reasons.....carby shit itself and you have a working 2bbl and manifold and no money.....................................

I'd be looking to the casting date on the manifold. Probably give you a better Idea than searching for an engine number. Most people can ensure that you see the number you want...................................


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If the VIN on the body/door is a 'J", and the frame/tag are original it "was" a 4bbl.

What happened in the last 40 years is variable...

If the J VIN is on the block and matches the door/frame its "most likely" original, unless a restamp, but that level of replication is rare on "older" engines before the concours/numbers correct stuff on non-Shelbys/"rare" cars really kicked in in the late 90's an on.

But the intake and carb obviously could have been swapped for many reasons... cheaper rebuild, problem carb, fuel economy, or issues like why folks put Holden parts on a Ford... personal preference...

Swapping an engine is more likely than not, very common, as I'd bet more 60's Mustangs now have non-original blocks than those that do... let alone heads, intakes, etc that are far more common to replace on a rebuild...

If you are looking for "correct" do your homework and carefully check the car, if you want a driver to do whatever to it really doesn't matter if you pay what you think is a fair price for what you get..


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steve851 wrote
The reason why I posted this question, is because I'm currently looking at a 68 J code hard top. The seller said it had a 2bbl carby on it, he told me the VIN and that definitely says J. Now I'm wondering if its the original engine as, to me at least, it would seem it would be silly to turf a 4bbl and replace it with a 2bbl

A lot of things could have happened in the intervening 40+ years. Don't forget these cars weren't always collectible, there was the petrol price shock, rationing etc. that would have played a big part in how these cars were treated. I've got a factory 4V car that's had a 2bbl put on it, seems crazy. I'm guessing that it was a daily driver and someone thought they'd swap out the 4bbl for a 2bbl for fuel economy. Now we'd think it's silly but it would have been frugal thinking at some stage.


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tim_morrison82 wrote

68 did not technically have any 'HiPo' engines. K codes ended in 67.


1st April 1968 Ford launched the 428CJ - that was reasonably HiPo... Razz


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Steve, the same thing with my car. It was a j code by vin, but had a 2bbl carby. Chexked the casting number and it was D4OE, which is a 74 block. Check that the casting number is C8OE-6015-A. Thats what my correct j code has. Do you know where to find the casting number? where are you located? Im SOR. Cheers


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Jiffy wrote
tim_morrison82 wrote

68 did not technically have any 'HiPo' engines. K codes ended in 67.


1st April 1968 Ford launched the 428CJ - that was reasonably HiPo... Razz


Its not a hipo engine, its a cobra jet engine. Definately higher performance, but completely seperate developement.


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"Although the regs changed for engine numbers in 1968, it wasn't standard across the board, with full factory compliance not being achieved until the 1980's."

Ummm... in a word.. no.

The federal government mandated VIN stamps on blocks starting with the 68 model year. It was not an "optional" law for 10+ years.... law stated all US manufacturers had to VIN stamp engine blocks on new cars form '68 on. Federal regulations aren't "when you get around to it..."

Many manufacturers were doing it as early as the 50's (some stamped, some tags rivited or bolted to the block)

If someone shows me an "original" block with no VIN it ain't original to me. No VIN, "date correct", sure, but no stamp... it didn't come from the factory with the car (unless it was machined off for some odd reason).

And if you are basing "original" on casting numbers, thats a risk as some castings were used for years or even a decade; examples, C8AE FE blocks were used from 68-76.... C6ME 66-76.. many other examples...

I'll leave it to others to decide if that fact is relevant, but if it's 68 or later and there is no VIN its 99.9999% sure to be a a service block, Ford made tens (maybe hundred's) of thousands of them (again by law to ensure a set ratio of spares to units built, why so much NOS is still available today).

Maybe once in a blue moon a VERY rare missed one... but not common practice.

But, believe what you want, to each their own.


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I've got a 68 factory 289 here built in a 302 block and it's has a vin number


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