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Heidelberg
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Hi guys,

Anyone know if there is a supplier in Australia that I can get a 12v heated windscreen for a 65 Mustang Tarmac rally car that I am building?

I would like to try to eliminate the need for the heater box and bringing water into the cabin and use a front windscreen that has the heating elements in between the laminated pieces of glass like most modern cars have in rear windows and the V8 supercars all run in their front windscreens...

I've found a supplier in the UK, but if possible I'd much rather source one closer to home as the shipping will no doubt be significant from the UK...

Thanks....Paul


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Interesting & I would also like to source some. Failing that, an electric heater would work well also (replacing the stock water heater)


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Try this lot
www.vehglass.com.au/index.html
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Ask these guys they make screens here in brisbane, they may know, I used to get a few from them for odd things.
Moran Motor Glass Pty. Ltd.
Address:136 Ingleston RdTingalpa QLD 4173Phone:(07) 3390 8855


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Thanks Nassi...I called VehGlass and they only do the rear windows and do not supply front windscreens....They put me onto another contact which ran into a dead end...I'm following any leads I can.

I originally tried Pilkington as I thought the V8 Supercars used Pilkington screens, but they advised me that they got out of Automotive glass years ago. They put me onto Windscreens O'Brien who said thay could order some from O/S, but only if they had a minimum order of 5 screens and their price was silly ($1000-$1500).

I've also tried "Protector Glass Industries" and they were very helpful - They said they would investigate and come back to me.

If I run into a dead end here in Aus, I'll have to go to the UK. The supplier I found in the UK is heatedwindscreens.com/ .

Kerry - I've orderd a couple of 12v electric heaters from Aussie Desert Coolers ( www.aussiedesertcooler.com.au/ ) who have supply 12V demister heater units for Hot Rods - Most of the chatter on the forums say that you're really battling the odds trying to make 12V heaters work, but I thought for $85 plus a bit of ducting, it was worth a try?

I'd still prefer a heated screen if I can source one...

Regards...Paul


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Thanks for the lead Shaunp,

I just called them and they are also investigating and will call me back...

Regards.....Paul


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Why don't you call a V8 supercar team, and ask who does theirs?


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Heidelberg wrote

Kerry - I've orderd a couple of 12v electric heaters from Aussie Desert Coolers ( www.aussiedesertcooler.com.au/ ) who have supply 12V demister heater units for Hot Rods - Most of the chatter on the forums say that you're really battling the odds trying to make 12V heaters work, but I thought for $85 plus a bit of ducting, it was worth a try?

I'd still prefer a heated screen if I can source one...

Regards...Paul


Volvo's have run electric interior heaters for years, up in their country (well the one they used to come from) as you would be waiting for ever for the water to heat up. So look at a wrecker for the heater to see if it will work.


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I've seen hot rod guys do to Crazy prices cheap shop and buy 12v hair driers and duct them to the screen.


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Thanks for the tip on using Volvo 12V heaters...

Which models ran the 12V heaters Kerry...I called Volvo Downunder spares and they guy said that all Australian Volvo's have run traditional heater box/water based heating systems for as long as they have been importing them as far as he is aware.....It may well be the European spec'd model(s) that you were thinking of?

Regards...Paul


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Heidelberg wrote
Thanks for the tip on using Volvo 12V heaters...

Which models ran the 12V heaters Kerry...I called Volvo Downunder spares and they guy said that all Australian Volvo's have run traditional heater box/water based heating systems for as long as they have been importing them as far as he is aware.....It may well be the European spec'd model(s) that you were thinking of?

Regards...Paul


Ok, that would make sense as the Volvo's I worked on (pre production & rally cars), all came from Europe.


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This is the one I'll be using...


Pic is from a tractor site, used as a cab heater..
I cant find the link to it, but I found it on a US site for about $130..
It requires a decent electrical system though as it sucks about 30amps on high.
I've been told the desert cooler ones arent much chop.


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SPECT"]This is the one I'll be using...


Pic is from a tractor site, used as a cab heater..
I cant find the link to it, but I found it on a US site for about $130..
It requires a decent electrical system though as it sucks about 30amps on high.
I've been told the desert cooler ones arent much chop.


Bloody nice looking toaster you have there. Shocked


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Hi Paul


Heidelberg wrote
Hi guys,

Anyone know if there is a supplier in Australia that I can get a 12v heated windscreen for a 65 Mustang Tarmac rally car that I am building?

I would like to try to eliminate the need for the heater box and bringing water into the cabin and use a front windscreen that has the heating elements in between the laminated pieces of glass like most modern cars have in rear windows and the V8 supercars all run in their front windscreens...

I've found a supplier in the UK, but if possible I'd much rather source one closer to home as the shipping will no doubt be significant from the UK...

Thanks....Paul


Not sure of when you're on here but I have answered your inq elsewhere too.

Maybe you are on here more often Mr. Green
Really not sure on your cars build or if it's nearing completion but may be able to assist you.

Most things are below should you choose to contact me. Smile


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While searching on Google came across both your question and also this forum ! :thumb:

I enjoyed a few years racing in Historics in the late nineties and always dreamed of running a mustang, but reality and obvious cost restraints prevented that ! I and am now building a LMT car for Improved Production in NSW.

My last race was in " Sunny Queenslands Lakeside " but to my dismay it peed down all weekend. Unfortunately while tucked in behind a local driver I thought IÒ€ℒd be safe. Huh Ò€¦. Went off under Dunlop bridge and damaged my car ( And my ego :smile02: )

While searching for screens a while back, for a friend building the same car as me I decided to have some made in the UK as importing some was pretty expensive to say the least. Certainly more than I wanted t pay.

I have started a business importing Heated Windscreens.

I shall be keeping Mustang screens a little later initially for the 1964 model and to assist the Historic Group NB & NC. Hopefully if there is demand I will carry the later models

Exactly what difference there is in the GT or the other models I am yet to establish as I have had a couple of experts give me different information ?

I have already been approached by a historic racer in Vic ~ Cobra Motor Sport,

He has a couple of genuine Cobra GT cars and is interested in a few screens, as he competes at many circuits/events throughout the year .... Together with a number on NC Historic cars have requested these too.

Paul could you possibly confirm any differences in the models from 1964 - 1973, I would appreciate your knowledge.

Please find details below that may interest you, if you are still looking to purchase within a few months.

Once I have established what models I need I shall be combining with others I require and sending one to the UK as a sample to have made.

........................................

Ok ....

Basically after attending Bathurst support races at the 12 Hr earlier last year, and seeing the demise of so much racing, due to the horrendous rain.

It again re-in-forced the benefitÒ€ℒs of having a heated screen so I looked into the supply again especially for the Evo I'm building as it shares a common screen with the Lancer.

Should have stock of the following within 4 - 5 months depending on demand, however many of these are " being manufactured currently " so should you have any interest my contacts can be found below.

Some of the models being stocked:

BMC Minis : 1962 - 1978

BMW : E30, 1 Series E87

Datsun : 1600

Ford : Cortina MK 1 Possibly MK 11

Ford : Escort MK 1 & MK11

Ford : Aust HO / XY Falcon

Ford Mustang : ( Early models only at this stage )

Commodore : ( Various )

Holden: HQ ( Seriously ! )

Holden : Torana XU1

Honda : Civic EK

Mazda : RX3 Coupe

Mazda MX5 All models from 1989

Mazda : RX7 Series 1

Mitsubishi : Evolution Lancer 1993 - Current ( Models 1-10 )

Nissan : Pulsar GTi-R ( Same as N14 )

Nissan : Skyline GTR 32

Porsche : 911 1968 Γ’β‚¬β€œ 1989

Subaru : GC8

All screens will come with in green tinted glass, and also available with a distinctive sun band at the top ....

This may incur a slight increase of approx $18 -20 but exact amount hasn't been confirmed as yet.

These will need to be specially ordered as most drivers like to put their own sponsors name in this area and either black out this section themselves.

Plain un-tinted glass may also be available but may incur delays in manufacturing times.

Due to current cost restraints I am required to purchases in batches of four as manufacturing procedures dictate these conditions.

These are obviously laminated, using full light green tinted glass without the common heavy top tint band like most screens fitted in Australia meeting current European / World standards They are 4.96 mm thick to meet ADR, have multiple Tungsten zig zag micro wires up and down with what appears to be one bank / element but is actually two, with a small 5 - 6 mm gap down the centre.

Although you can see these, visibility is considered normal. Being Internationally E marked ( EI 43R )so legal for all states ADR ( Not that that matters for racing, however would be suitable for registered cars competing Tarmac Racing type events ).

I'm have engaged respected company Trading for many years to manufacture these for me. They are contracted to a number of OEM too inc Ford Europe, plus a number of kit car manufactures for their heated screen supply.

Further .... I requested a number of things from the technical guru within the company to clarify data of the screens i.e. what actual size are the Tungsten Micro Wires in the heating element banks installed in the screens, on each side ( 17 - 22 microns depending on model of car ) Do they go right across the screens to the edges ? Very close to the sides Heat up / defrost time in seconds or minutes in adverse conditions ? I'm told something like 2 minutes for full vision if covered in heavy frost / ice

Amps required while in use ? Approx 12.2 amps ( On say an RX7 )
Is a Relay / Timer required etc ?

This is one area I am out of my depth understanding wiring, so I am advised the following.

This is up to the individual ....

When installed in current model road going Ford Europe, and various other vehicles including the Land Rover series.
Screens are obviously controlled by the factory ECU. So it is advised / recommended to have them relayed/ timed and run for a max of 10 mins continuous. I shall be offering a well priced fitting kit incorporating a relay and timer wires etc etc.

Interstate delivery can be arranged as I am happy to box / crate screens personally and deliver to depot of your choice in Sydney as I go there twice a week.
Alternatively I can pack and have a courier collect on your behalf.

Insuring the package is your choice and responsibility, but highly recommended to avoid disappointments as I cannot be responsible if damage occurs during transportation.
Having said this, I,m working on a two peice polystyrene cover which will be placed inside a cardboard box.

I may be able to have delivered to certain interstate areas for next to nothing, ( i,e shared costs ) being piggy backed with screens I'm already sending interstate.

Data of element positioning etc, and the general specs can be found in the attachment below.Black lines indicate the main wire layout / design, which surround the screen. This extends to virtually the outside of each screen, thus assuring no edge fogging .... There are two banks one either side with a small gap in-between the two banks of approx 4-5 mm.

The wire on the right side of the drawing is used as the earth strap; the other two are the power supplies

Here is a quote from their element man, as it may be of interest to those who understand ! Ò€¦.

HereÒ€ℒs an example of how the touring/racing car screens are made up. The electrical data is Γ’β‚¬Λœper sideÒ€ℒ, I try to keep the power density to around the 3.5-4.5W/dm2 because any lower and the performance is not so good and any higher and you risk getting a hazy view when in use. This is all dependant on the windscreen in question, size and shape affects it quite a bit.

Drawing / Data :



I'm also in discussion with a US company who manufactures a stick on protective film similar to what the Mosler uses and also the V8 Taxis etc, providing additional life. These I understand can be multi layered and removed when required, just like tear offs on crash helmets etc, with only a minute loss of vision compared to plain glass visibility.

This will be here a little later, so in the mean time I am having to buy this in, in small quantities and pass on at my cost of $67.96c per single layer, on a Mustang Screen.

This will certainly not stop rocks, however due to the nature of the product it will provide a tough absorbing layer, softening some of the initial impact of small sharp stones, against what would normally be plain unprotected glass.

This too will certainly prevent any sand blasting effect experienced when in Rallying / Racing conditions. For the average screen these protective tear offÒ€ℒs can be applied in a single layer or multi layered to suit. Thumbs Up



Conditions of Purchase:

Please note : If I am unable to supply the screens within a given time frame, due to any issues out of my control i.e. strikes or customs hold ups etc, and this genuinely creates a problem for you.

I am happy to return your deposit in full, but with respect if just a change of mind on your behalf happens, your deposit is non re-fundable .... Sorry

However I must stress that Ò€œ I'm given a manufacturing time and can only give my word on someone elseÒ€ℒs. Ò€œ

Once your preferred method of payment for the screen has been made ( IÒ€ℒd prefer an EFT if poss ) Ò€¦.. Kindly advise when a deposit has been made by email, and which payment method has been used, including your reference NÒ€ℒo :

Manufacturing / lead times is 4 - 5 weeks if out of stock.

Warranty :
At this stage I am able to provid a 180 day warranty on the heating elements, however as these are supplied OEM form many vehicles in the UK. The elements have been fully tested prior to being supplied.

Costs : $588.50

Reduced now to $525.60 with recent shippment as our exchange rate is strong Smile

Motorsport Heated Windscreens

ABN : 796 265 467 20


Motorsport Windscreens

Bank : St George

BSB : 112-879

Acc : 437978888


Should you need to call to clarify anything after hrs, my land line is best, I'm up till late most nights on my ( 10. 30 pm )

Phone : 02 4701 6498

Mobile : 0422 425 026

Email : sales @ motorsportwindscreens.com.au

Paypal : evo6rs @ iinet.net.au

Later this year, there should be alternative payment methods, to accept payment with Visa etc. However a small charge may be included should you choose this method.

Mailing Address : ( If a cheque is being used for deposit )

Derek Smith / Motorsport Windscreens

C/O Wentworth Falls Post Office
Station St Wentworth Falls
NSW 2782


HTH ....




Cheers Ò€¦. Del


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Dear All
I note with interest all this discusion on heated windscreens and the rather long line from one member who is happy to deposits and get screens made . All i can say is i have been getting my heated front windshields is from a company in the uk for a number of years now
www.heatedwindscreen.com the guy there is very helpfull and there is no need for a deposit . I know for a fact that he has some mustang screen shipping in 2 weeks so it would be a good idea if anyone wants one to contact him now so he can put you in touch with the chap bringing them in
cheers Dan


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